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Vapor-to-Grams-to-Liter Ratio
Has anyone put together a weight to liter ratio list of what it takes to achieve a similar profile from maceration to vapor only? I’ve got to assume you need quite a bit more botanicals if you’re doing vapor path only. So if it takes 20g per liter via maceration, what is approximate of equivalent weight if you’re doing vapor only? I’m sure this is going to vary by the botanical, but just looking for a rule of thumb to get me close. Thanks.There are two types of people in this world.1. Those that can extrapolate from incomplete information.
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are you using GNS/neutral or refluxing low wines through the botanicals?
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GNS diluted downThere are two types of people in this world.1. Those that can extrapolate from incomplete information.
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I’ve never done a side by side, but I don’t allow for any difference.Both methods will louche for me without some dilution.When using a Carter Head, I keep the output a lot slower than when the botanicals are in the pot, taking six hours minimum. Bombay take even longer when running their Carter Head.
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For 10 gallons (38 liter) @ 40% vapor infused GinJuniper 255 gramsCoriander 100-130 gramsGrains of Paradise 21 gramsCardimom 12 gramsoptions:Cinnomon (cassia) 10 gramsAngelica 10 gramsOrris 11 gramsFennel 3 gGrams per liter:Juniper 22.5Coriander 11.5Cardamom .25cinnamon 2.5Overall you’re looking for 20-35 grams per literthe formula I follow:x-Juniperx/2-Corrianderx/10-Angelica, cassia, grains of paradisex/100-Cardamom, orris, gingerLike Chris said, run it slower on a pot still. The last run I did took seven hours. Maybe a little too slow, I don’t know. Also, using a gin head, insulate that sucker with some towels or whatever you have. Let me know if this helps!13.5g/50L keg modular 3″ pot/VM copper&stainless w/offset gin head26g 4″ stripping still5500watts of fury
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Thanks fellas, so it would seem that the 20-40g per liter is still the same whether you macerate or do vapor only. Thanks for that BP, I’ll have to try it.There are two types of people in this world.1. Those that can extrapolate from incomplete information.
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I would leave out the orris and fennel, it’s good but not necessary. As well as the Angelica. Maybe the cinnamon too, but I like it more than the other three.13.5g/50L keg modular 3″ pot/VM copper&stainless w/offset gin head26g 4″ stripping still5500watts of fury
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Thanks!Another question. Is there an ideal range abv for vapor extraction?There are two types of people in this world.1. Those that can extrapolate from incomplete information.
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Orris is used as a fixitave in gin it’s contribution to overall flavor is small imo.Most gins contain it for that reason.Orris has also been used as a fixative in the perfume industry for hundreds of years.I’ve read stuff that says that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that it fixes flavours or smell in gin or perfume.Having said that I use it in my gin and will continue to do so.
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Yes, that is why I used it. But I can detect its flavor in my finished product, and that is why I’ll leave it out next time. But what I have found that helps blend flavors without adding a strong flavor itself, is grains of paradise. I suppose with no evidence to support ideas, really leaves it up to you. I’ve been leaning towards a more lean botanical bill. Sometimes less is better. I’ve been out of the gin game for four years, so I’ve been refreshing myself on the subject13.5g/50L keg modular 3″ pot/VM copper&stainless w/offset gin head26g 4″ stripping still5500watts of fury
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Thanks!Another question. Is there an ideal range abv for vapor extraction?Not that I am aware of, someone smarter than me will have to answer. If I was debating between a refluxed vapor vs pot still vapor, I’ll go with the pot still. It comes out around 70% with plenty of flavor13.5g/50L keg modular 3″ pot/VM copper&stainless w/offset gin head26g 4″ stripping still5500watts of fury
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Cool, thanksThere are two types of people in this world.1. Those that can extrapolate from incomplete information.
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I’m not saying it is needed but when I was logging my tasting notes jar by jar, I recall detecting Orris root in the product collection at the very end of a run, just before I started detecting tails. I can’t say that I notice it in the final product.Otis’ Pot and Thumper, Dimroth Condenser: Pot-n-Thumper/DimrothLearning to Toast: Toasting WoodPolishing Spirits with Fruitwood: FruitwoodBadmotivator’s Barrels: Badmo Barrels
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I’m scratching out my next gin run for 10 gallon still charge. Juniper 255 grams Coriander 130 gGrains of paradise 21 gCardamom 10 gCassia 10 gAngelica 10 gLooking at 11.5 g/l. About Half the “recommended” weight per liter, as my last recipe. Which came out with plenty of flavor. I might scale this down a little, but I need five gallons just to cover the element.13.5g/50L keg modular 3″ pot/VM copper&stainless w/offset gin head26g 4″ stripping still5500watts of fury
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You must be drinking your gin straight , no mixer.I can’t see using half quanties making for a flavorfull GnT.
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I’d rather err on the side of too much flavor, then dilute it with neutral to get the intensity I like.
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Five gallons is a lot to have under an element, especially when it’s barely covered. Watch out for stratification.
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It might be closer to 3.5-4 but everything works well. I’ll have to get an official measurement.13.5g/50L keg modular 3″ pot/VM copper&stainless w/offset gin head26g 4″ stripping still5500watts of fury
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Yes, I’m a bit surprised. Looking at my old notes it’s all I used. But they are old notes so I don’t remember everything I was doing. it is a flavorful gin. Maybe I should just go ahead and double the botanicals, I would rather nail the distillation than dilute after. But won’t know til I try13.5g/50L keg modular 3″ pot/VM copper&stainless w/offset gin head26g 4″ stripping still5500watts of fury
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Just to clarify in my thick head, is the weight of botanical per litre of spirit (known alcohol in the wash) or calculated using the total volume of wash? Thanks in advance.
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It would be per liter of spirit. I typically charge my boiler with 40% abv of a finished neutral to make a gin.13.5g/50L keg modular 3″ pot/VM copper&stainless w/offset gin head26g 4″ stripping still5500watts of fury
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It would be per liter of spirit. I typically charge my boiler with 40% abv of a finished neutral to make a gin.Thank you.
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