• Gin

  Suppliers of Next-Generation Sequencing (NGS) Technology

  Posted by stickrod on December 31, 2014 at 9:40 pm

  Hello,

  Interested in finding multiple sources for NGS. Looking for any information regarding pricing as well as style/make (wheat, corn, barley, etc.). I know LDI can provide, where else does everyone acquire theirs and what are your opinions on different NGS from different suppliers if you have tried multiple. As well as opinions on different initial grain bills. Thank you!

  idahojoe replied 10 years ago 8 Members · 11 Replies
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  mash

  Member

  December 31, 2014 at 10:53 pm

  I don’t mean to be trite, but most craft distillers actually make their whisky. Unless its for another vodka, cause we can always use more vodka.

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  jeffw

  Member

  January 1, 2015 at 1:19 am

  Not sure I understand Mash’s comment (NGS is not whiskey…). Ultra Pure has a pretty wide selection.

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  stickrod

  Member

  January 1, 2015 at 7:32 am

  Yeah, this is the gin thread… Looking to use NGS as a base for infusions (both vapor and maceration) to eventually become gin, absinthe, amaro, bitters, etc.

  The ultimate goal is to eventually make the neutral myself however, I am looking to start by purchasing the NGS until I can get me feet under me and a proven track of sales. Anyone agree with this route?

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  dehner distillery

  Member

  January 1, 2015 at 3:06 pm

  here is an idea $400 (not delivered, plus drum deposit $40) for a 55 gallon drum. GNS 100% corn 4 x distilled

  I was thinking of starting to sell GNS my self

  @ $400 per drum it is about .65 per 750 bottle of vodka

  I can get my the price down to .22 per 750 bottle, or .26 per 750 bottle for low congers

  you can get bulk 275 gallon tote unaged whiskey from ulra pure for about $2600-$3600 depends on type of product.

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  salishseaorganicliqueurs

  Member

  January 1, 2015 at 3:23 pm

  Depends on what specifically you are looking for. We’ve had good luck Pharmco-AAPER (http://www.pharmcoaaper.com). If you message me I’ll give you the contact info of the rep we’ve used. I have also heard good things about Alchemical Solutions (http://organicalcohol.com) but I have yet to work with them.

  There’s nothing wrong with using NGS as long as you yourself are redistilling/macerating it into a different spirit. That is how 90% of liqueurs, absinthe, gin, and other botanical spirits in the world are made. It’s how they were made traditionally as well. Though I would not suggest using NGS to make whiskey or vodka because, I feel, that both the market and distilling community look at it as though it was a form cheating (it kind of is in a sense).

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  dehner distillery

  Member

  January 1, 2015 at 5:05 pm

  Depends on what specifically you are looking for. We’ve had good luck Pharmco-AAPER (http://www.pharmcoaaper.com). If you message me I’ll give you the contact info of the rep we’ve used. I have also heard good things about Alchemical Solutions (http://organicalcohol.com) but I have yet to work with them.

  There’s nothing wrong with using NGS as long as you yourself are redistilling/macerating it into a different spirit. That is how 90% of liqueurs, absinthe, gin, and other botanical spirits in the world are made. It’s how they were made traditionally as well. Though I would not suggest using NGS to make whiskey or vodka because, I feel, that both the market and distilling community look at it as though it was a form cheating (it kind of is in a sense).

  I Agree. but there those out there doing that sadly

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  mkatrincic_nc

  Member

  January 1, 2015 at 10:10 pm

  Well said Sam (!) and thanks for adding the background history for those category of spirits.

  In our research on global gin manufacturing, it’s largely a non issue to leverage NGS as base for re-distilling gin or even those that make compound gin. In reviewing the boutique distillers (or the big guys for that matter) in the UK for instance, you’ll be hard pressed to find one mashing their own grain. Of course, tastes for gin vary widely which is why we love the category. It’s fantastic that the US consumers want to try gin made from a base of rye or wheat or apples, etc. For us, corn based ethanol enables us to build a pedestal for the botanicals that we want to shine through.

  To help on the answer at hand…on sourcing NGS, we’ve needed to consider also where they are located or shipping from. Shipping fees vary widely. The closer you can locate a supplier, usually the better the pricing. If you’re able, you may be able to gain efficiencies too in the larger volume shipments , e.g. tote vs. drum.

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  stickrod

  Member

  January 2, 2015 at 2:41 pm

  Wheat NGS is particularly what I am interested in. After a recent visit to London and speaking with many of the smaller craft gin distillers over there they seem to prefer it, stating it appears to be softer in flavor and easier to work with letting the botanicals shine. Any more feedback from experience with multiple types would be great, however.

  A 250 gal tote @ 95% seems like the way to go to me, especially when focusing soley on infusion biased spirits. My plan is to dilute upon purchasing and storing in a 600 gal closed blending tank, then divi up to infuse as needed. As I stated, some small macerations and lots of vapor infusion.

  Shipping would be to the atlanta area…if that helps.

  Thank you for all the input, I look forward to diving deeper into this topic and hope everyone following along does as well! Happy new year!

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  stickrod

  Member

  January 2, 2015 at 4:26 pm

  While we are on the subject as well, I forgot to mention that I am planning on redistilling the GNS before infusion as well. So process as such…dilute NGS, rectify on packed column, dilute/macerate, vapor infuse, dilute, blend, bottle. Looking at 250L packed column and 100L carter head.

  Do you feel the redistillation needed, will it improve the product and quality of the neutral? Or should I start with only a carter head still and save startup costs?

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  mott hill

  Member

  January 3, 2015 at 1:05 am

  I can’t answer the supplier question but would just advise that you do some small batches in a proofing still. It will help you prove your process and recipe without spending a fortune on each batch. You may find that the initial redistillation is more costly than accepting cuts on the the spirit run.

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  idahojoe

  Member

  February 25, 2015 at 4:06 pm

  I have not personally sourced from any of these suppliers, but a quick google search reveals a lot of information out there. Start calling and price checking on bulk NGS. Depending on your needed volume and desired final product, there may be a lot of variability.

  Cheers!

  MGP (Achison, KS):

  http://www.mgpingredients.com/product-list/Grain-Neutral-Spirits.html

  GPC (Muscatine, IA / Washington, IN):

  http://www.grainprocessing.com/corporate-info/facilities-services.html

  Alchemical (Ashland, OR:

  http://organicalcohol.com/store/index.php/products/

  Archer Daniels Midland (ADM – Peoria, IL):

  http://www.adm.com/en-US/products/food/alcohol/Pages/default.aspx

  CVEC (Benson, MN):

  http://www.cvec.com/190-proof

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